Wednesday 28 October 2009

Probe Autumn 2009- Part 4

(This is the final part of my report on Probe 10/09)

Ross Hemsworth
Interdimensional Realities-It All Connects
I was very pleased to see Ross Hemsworth again after meeting him and his wife, Penny, at their own conference in Glastonbury last year ( Ross is a genial and jolly man who's been keen on show-business all his life; he's played the guitar in bands, managed bands and produced TV shows which he himself has presented. Today he has blended his love of TV and entertainment with his other passion: paranormal investigation. He has spoken at Probe before, see the links to previous conferences, and on the link you'll see I've taken a photo of him with an orb on it by the ceiling above him. His first paranormal TV show was Ghost Detectives which he co-presented with former Doctor Who actor Tom Baker. I used to watch this show myself and the Skeptical argument in it was always presented by a mutual acquaintance of ours: Professor Chris French (MBA Gold). Chris French (MBA Gold) always seems to play that role on contemporary TV; I expect these days that Susan Blackmore (MBA Silver) is too expensive! (She's busy trying to get into Michael Shermer's terylenes by the look of things!: I've met French myself at the Skeptics in The Pub event, see: , and it has recently been my honour to award this extremely courageous, pragmatic, virile and generally superior man with the Gold Materialist Bravery Award, see: ! I tune into Ross' radio show whenever I can. I'm a big radio aficionado, unlike so many in the TV generation, but it shows how times have changed in that I don't actually have a radio! I'm a 100% internet-listener. My dad, who's a big Archers fan (see: shakes his head at me as if this is a heresy! Now That's Weird is not available on FM so many of Ross' listeners are online-ers too. Ross actually could arrange to have his show on an FM channel if he wanted, but admirably he's refused to use the disclaimer that it's for "entertainment purposes only". He considers that his show is not; it's serious and it deals with a serious subject. In fact at one point he did a debate with Chris French (MBA Gold) about Near-Death Experiences and the presenter looked at Ross with renewed respect and said: "Oh, I thought we were supposed to get a nutter!".
Ross has been on many fascinating ghost hunts which are related in his book The Dead Are Talking . The book is now out of print and Ross and Penny sold the last few copies on their conference stall; (My copy is now on Ebay for £200!) however Ross hopes to publish a new book soon. He investigated the case of the Victorian gentleman who was often seen at the Lilley Arms in Hertfordshire and a phantom maid who cleans a chandelier at the Chicksands Priory, an SAS base. He went to New Jersey where he saw and photographed what looked like the Loch Ness Monster in a place called Wannaque in the United States, which lies in the so-called “New Jersey Vortex”. It led him to wonder if Nessie might have been misidentified. Instead of being a cryptid it might be what the cryptozoologist Jonathan Downes calls a “Zooform phenomenon” (See links column) because the creature in Wannaque was floating 20 feet above the ground! In other words, maybe some of these lake monsters are something not made of flesh-and-blood, but an etheric construct. Maybe UFO’s are the same (See Brian Allan’s lectures in the above links) and that UFO flaps are places where the “veil” between dimensional plains gets thinner. Ross headed to Rendlesham Forest (See here for background: one January and spent the night there in the freezing cold and caught a photo of a spectral entity right by him which he showed on the display screen. He then received a channelled message giving him coordinates that aided him in further research. Brian Allan has written about Rendlesham Forest and thinks that the “thinning of the veil” might have been caused by the powerful radio transmissions at the Orford Ness signals research centre which may have worn a hole in Spacetime during the Cold War. Ghosts, UFO’s, and most other paranormal phenomena could be visitors from other dimensions. Perhaps we are visitors to theirs during dreams and altered states of consciousness. (Or when we fire up the LHC! See: . Hope it doesn't result in this Stephen King scenario!: Do they see us as ghosts?
Skeptical science is generating something of an obstacle though, personified in the Herculean Skeptic Knight of James Randi (MBA Bronze). The Skeptic Movement is a actually a socio-political phenomenon, not a scientific one. I’ve written a lot about this subject myself. See: and and . Randi (MBA Bronze) runs a competition where he offers people a $million to prove paranormal phenomena are real, the point being he has never had to pay out so they are not! (See: Ross has taken up that challenge and “had the bar raised”; see the Debating With a Skepster link above. Randi, in my view, is either a knowing disinformer or a “useful idiot” who has been deliberately put on a pedestal by those in the know to diffuse interest in the paranormal. This subject is too extensive to go into detail here and needs its own article, but the biggest secret the Illuminati keep from us is not the Reptilians or the UFO’s, but that Life-After-Death is real and that, for those of us who are not materialists, it is not dependent on our religious beliefs. If we all knew the truth the Illuminati would definitely lose control of us, as they one day will. Like Richard D Hall and David Griffin (see the link to my Beyond Knowledge review) Ross is a leading player in UK exopolitics and the Disclosure Movement. He is currently backing Gary McKinnon’s case (Background: and and Ross has done this despite being warned by a mysterious man in Nevada that he should stay away from Gary for Ross’ own sake. Gary spoke about “non-Terrestrial Officers” (see links above) and the man who warned Ross told him that Project Serpo was real. I have seriously doubted this myself, but as time goes on I’m not so sure. Here’s Project Camelot’s Bill Ryan talking about it: . Ross has also found out that the debunking of the Phoenix Lights was a deliberate psyop. I worked that out for myself when listening to Nick Pope’s lectures, but Ross has since learned that NORAD immediately knew that the lights were not man-made and went to Red Alert! Nick plays down the debunking too much, in my view. I asked him once about the fact that Governor Symington lied and publicly-ridiculed the Lights, and then confessed that he’d done so; Nick shrugged dismissively and said that Symington was just trying to stop people panicking. Ross urges us to support Gary McKinnon in any way we can. He really is on his last chance as he appeals to the EU Court of Human Rights. In one sense his imprisonment is an attack on us all, because he represents anyone who shares his curiosity about UFO‘s. He is being made an example of; it’s a punishment-beating. Here’s a link to the FreeGary site:

Sunday Lunchtime
Something very strange happened during the lunch hour. An alien appeared in the auditorium and walked around attempting to communicate with people and offering to let us photograph him (See the HPANWO TV films of the conference and the photo above.) This was bad-timing because it’s exactly the kind of thing Dex would love to have seen… but for some reason Dex had wandered off and was nowhere to be found!

Clint Denyer
Everyday Observations of an Average Alien
(New website coming soon:
(See HPANWO TV links above for my interview with Clint)
Clint Denyer is a regular Probist He’s a Shamanic Healer, philosopher, trance medium and remote viewer; a man of many talents indeed! I’ve seen several of his speeches at the conference (See above). Last time he very bravely spoke his mind about a highly controversial subject within the Probe Family and I wondered what he had in store for us this time! Well, to begin with he didn’t have anything at all because he was struck down by the curse that rarely leaves a Probe speaker alone: his computer packed up during his address. It shows how wise Kathy Rowan-Drewitt was not to trust complex electronics and used a good-old fashioned overhead projector and transparencies; I bet Clint wishes he’d done the same. It doesn’t matter how much you prepare; you can check all the plugs and sockets are correct, make sure power packs and batteries are fully charged, everything! I’ve even seen speakers doing “dress-rehearsals” of their visuals during break times. Once you get up there in front of the delegates doing your shtick there’ll be some sort of error. However eventually Clint got his laptop and display going again and he began: Firstly he explained the intriguing title of his talk. Who is the “Average Alien”? It’s us. You, me, everyone. What makes us alien is that we feel lonely and isolated, out of place, lost in a strange world (I actually know somebody on a forum who has given herself this username!). But we are here. Why did we come to this universe and live lives on this planet? Clint believes, and I agree, that we have some kind of mission here. We’ve come to free the world from whatever is imprisoning it. My own theories on that are familiar to all HPANWO-readers. To complete our mission in this life we have to learn several lessons: the most important one is to stand up to Fear. Fear is the most destructive emotion we feel; I’d add that it is Fear along with its two derivatives, Hate and Guilt. We have to break away from Fear, open doorways and take the plunge, a bit like Neo had to do in The Matrix. When we do that we’ll feel liberated and also experience a sense of natural flowing within our lives because deep down inside us all we know very well that something’s wrong: We’re fed up with being lied to by the powers-that-be, even when we try to rationalize it and make excuses for them. As Kathy said above and Helen Sewell said at AVII, times are coming when our tolerance for that kind of treatment will wear our. We need to learn to control our emotions. It’s important to take time out to be at peace and quiet by visiting one of the few islands of tranquillity that still remain in our world. Explore your own heritage by visiting sacred sites like Avebury and Stonehenge; there you’ll be able to hear the voice of your ancestors. Clint describes the physical means of control that are only too familiar to HPANWO-readers: ID Cards, the way you need passports for everything, even buying alcohol in some supermarkets. There’s the mainstream media and its propaganda, Swine Flu terror and vaccinations. We have Ipods and Xboxes to take away our sense of self. Clint lamented that his 18-year-old son plays on his Xbox his entire free time. He also mentions how the powers-that-be abuse Earth's position in relation to other planets out there. The LCROSS mission to explode a crashing a probe on the moon is a perfect example that I’ve covered as well: see: and Why is NASA bombing it? There’s a war up there. One side of the moon is artificial and made by the aliens. The truth about human and extraterrestrial activities in space would make anyone’s jaw drop! The first man to go to the moon was a Frenchman in the 19th Century; Jules Verne’s sci-fi novel was based on truth! We’ve been to Mars too and there are even military bases there and it‘s possible to teleport to them. This is backed up by other researchers I’ve heard of, for instance the authors of The Mars Records: . There are trees on Mars and Cydonia is not the biggest artefact there; there’s a ruined city under Hale Crater. Back here on Earth, history and archaeology has been distorted. There are pyramids in China and Bosnia and elsewhere. It seems like the pyramid is a form of language symbol that is an attempt at communication from a lost prehistoric civilization (See Graham Hancock’s site in the links column for essential further information). There are also images in Egyptians tombs of high technological devices like plasma generators and aircraft. All this suppression and deceit is so that we don’t fulfil our potential, gain our inheritance and become what we can be. This would mean the end of the road for the Illuminati. But we are reaching for our destiny; why else would we have this urge to visit crop circles? Crop circles are becoming more and more complicated. Gary McKinnon, whom Ross mentioned, is an example of this universal human desire to explore these issues; no wonder he’s being punished so badly! Clint showed us some of his own films of UFOs flying over Cyprus and some other orb photos he‘d taken. Everybody is doing this in one way or another; or at least thinking of it. Even the First Lady of Japan is a UFO contactee! She was taken to Venus where she saw that it is not really a hot and hostile place; it’s beautiful there. If we lived on another planet the Illuminati would make sure our space programme sent craft to the Sahara or Antarctica and bring back news that the Earth was hostile and lifeless! We all deep down want to do something to stop the horrors going on in the world. The fact we’re at the Probe conference is our way of expressing that. We have to fight back against this injustice and we have to do it now! Says Clint. We don’t need churches because we are our own churches. Like myself, Clint remains optimistic and truly believes that we can be free and live on a happy planet.

Delores Cannon
Awakening to a New World

The Autumn 2009 Probe closed with the second of the two-part lecture by Delores Cannon; see above for the first. I’m afraid I can’t make head or tail of the notes I took during this final stage of the conference. I think I was starting to tire and I was also becoming confused, as you’ll see when you watch my HPANWO TV reportage of the conference. Delores spoke about how the Source, ie “God”, was playing a closer and closer role in our lives here on Earth. The planet was about to enter a dimensional shift. This sounded a bit like Nathan Sarea’s speech in the last conference. Like Nathan, Delores thinks that human beings on this world might be split along the same fault lines that the Earth’s dimensional body is and that we’ll all follow the off-shoot that best suits our own level of spiritual evolution. At first glance this might sound a bit like one of those awful Christian fundamentalist movies that keep coming out in America where God’s people vanish up to Heaven and everyone else is “Left Behind”, but it’s not that simple, or that brainless.

Sunday Evening
By the time Sunday was wrapped the Probe experience would normally be coming to a close and we’d be saying our goodbyes and heading our separate ways, but I’m glad to say that this time it was different. There were more highs and lows to come! Ustane and I went off with some of the delegates to have a meal at a carvery, not the Salters Wharf this time, another one. One member of our group was a man I knew from an internet forum whom I’d met briefly at a conference last year; I‘ll call him “Lenny“. Unfortunately he put a bit of a dampener on the evening. Lenny was new to Probe and had not been there before. As it turned out he had some related ideas of his own that he wanted to express. I’ve written before about how, although I love most of my Probe-buddies dearly and get on very well with them and miss them a lot between conferences, there are one or two problem characters who can cause rocky moments. Some people feel that when they express a viewpoint it is a sacrosanct verity and that any dissent is a personal insult, and it then deserves a personal attack in retaliation. As soon as we got to the pub Lenny began drinking heavily and talking constantly and loudly. His own view differed from the rest of us and indeed most of the Probe attendees. He thinks that there are no such things as aliens and that all abduction experiences, every single one, are MILAB’s, MILitary ABductions. They’re made to look like alien experiences using stagecraft and hypnosis etc so that witnesses will not point the finger at the government. This is basically what Stephen Greer says regarding any unpleasant interaction we have with aliens (Here’s a very old HPANWO article about Greer: Although I agree that MILAB’s do indeed take place there are any number of reasons why Lenny’s theory cannot possibly account for the entire contact phenomenon; it doesn‘t even come close! But when I began to politely and calmly explain this to him he became rather aggressive and demeaning. He leapt out of his chair and paced up and down the bar swearing loudly. He told us that were all narrow-minded dupes for believing such “bullshit“. We all got pretty upset with him. We hoped he’d pick up on that and clear off, but he hung around all evening. In the end Ustane and I headed back to the hotel. My meal was lovely but I was feeling a touch of indigestion.
Lenny’s behaviour was unfortunately only the early rumblings of far more serious Probe-based relationship issues. Another of my erstwhile Probe-buddies has become a thorn in my side too. Unlike Lenny this is a very old friend of mine who has been attending the conference as regularly as I do; I‘ll call him “Carl“. I’ve always admired Carl and I like his research. I used to often go to his website and comment on his articles. He’d often contact me to make suggestions and give me advice about my own work. I valued our friendship a lot. I’ve another friend who doesn’t attend Probe, but whom I know well from elsewhere. As far as we’re concerned here he’s “Gus” and he’s another researcher that I have a lot of respect for. He’s also a good mate who, like Carl, I can turn to for advice and support. He works tirelessly to expose conspiracies and helps to organize major international conferences that do a lot of good and bring a lot of light into the darkness. The relationship problem I have here is that recently Carl has become very hostile towards Gus. I can’t go into details, but something terrible happened a while ago that shocked all three of us, but for some reason Carl seems to think that Gus is at fault. He has been absolutely unequivocal in his beliefs and has not hesitated to say so on his website. He has made additional statements that challenge Gus' general good name in no uncertain terms. On top of that the nature of his accusations has been mercilessly spiteful, condemning and outraged. Since then Carl has become irritated and unaccommodating to many other individuals, and indeed makes very scathing judgements about whole groups of people and entire sectors of the conspiracy theory community. Few have escaped his scorn in the last few months! And I should not have assumed that I myself would be exempt. I try to be honest in everything I say and do; I hope I succeed. I’ve looked at both sides in this conflict between my two friends and I can only conclude that Carl’s reprochement of Gus is extremely unfair, in fact it’s totally baseless! What’s more the way Carl has conducted himself towards Gus is deeply improper. Unfortunately such angry contretemps inevitably causes polarization and although I never said as much on HPANWO nor any other widespread medium, I did express my views on Carl's own website, being as generous to him as I possibly could be. But it seems that as far as Carl is concerned I’m either with him or against him; there is no in between. I’ve refused join him on his crusade against Gus so therefore I’m struck out of his good books! So now, where I used to get on with him really well and have many easy-going discussions, he has now started posting very snide and misrepresentative replies to my comments on his website articles. He’s publicly stated to all members that he thinks Gus is my “Guru” and that I’d follow either him or David Icke anywhere. This is nonsense! I’m an independent researcher! I have a lot of admiration for both Gus and David, but I’d never follow them blindly like Guru-worshippers do! I really don’t think I chose to comment on his articles so I could be spoken to like that! I’m not a punch bag that Carl or anyone else can just hit whenever they feel like it. I’ve left some powerful Dignity Statements on the pages concerned, to empower myself and protect myself from humiliation and not gone back to Carl’s site. Unless things improve I doubt if I’ll ever go back. So it looks like one of my precious Probe-friendships is coming to an end. But what else can I do? However much I might value a relationship I’m not going to stoop to such nastiness to preserve it! This is what I learned when I was at school. When I was about 10 years old I remember joining in bullying games with a bigger kid because I wanted to be his mate. To gain his respect I did some horrible things I hated myself for, but I thought it was a sacrifice I had to make, payment for his companionship. In a way I think this is what my parents were doing with Centaur, here: . I hope I’m never tempted to do the same!

Monday Morning
The rueful atmosphere of the previous evening cleared away the following morning as Ustane and I checked out of the hotel. What we did next was totally different to anything I’ve done before at Probe. Not having a car I’ve always stayed overnight on the Sunday, apart from that one time I travelled in Fred and Val’s car and stayed with them in Birmingham, but every other Monday I’ve been out of St Annes and on my way home by 10 o’clock. Not today. Ustane and I spent most of the day wandering around the town, hand-in-hand like a pair of real romantics. We sat on the beach and the sun came out; the sky was like a painting and the sand glowed! I got a little bit emotionally high, as you can see if you watch my HPANWO TV movies Beach and Sea! We popped into the vets to see how the injured pigeon that we found on Friday was and were sad to learn that they had had no choice but to euthanize. We went to Number 15 and had a few drinks to drown our sorrows. Ustane had bought a pack of angel cards and we had a very uplifting time using them; Ustane was overjoyed with the answers she got. We headed back to Oxford at 5pm in high spirits. When I arrived home I shot the HPANWO TV vid entitled Home in which I express my confusion over the enormous amount of information that I’d had to take in. I think I was generally in a bittersweet mood because of the previous 24 hours and the trouble with Carl I knew was brewing. However this is certainly not a criticism of Jean and Sam or their running of the conference; and it definitely does not put me off wanting to attend in future. Jean and Sam did the right thing by giving all these people a platform, because information has to be freely available for all. If the UFO, conspiracy and paranormal world is confusing then we just have to face up to it!

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Anonymous said...

Dear Ben,

yet another excellent conference report. Reading your summaries always makes me feel as though I missed out, especially your report on this most recent Probe conference and the AV2 event earlier this year. So much so that I will definitely be at AV3. I'm assuming you'll be there?

Ben, I also want to congratulate you on the insightfulness of your analogy regarding 'Carl' & 'Gus'. I have also followed the 'descent' of 'Carl' into an arrogant, angry, and downright venemous blogger over the past year or so. Like you I met him at Probe a while back and found him to be very personable. So what has happened? Who knows for sure but it is not a particularly good advertisement for ayhuasca is it?

What I find incredible is that there are some people who seem to suck up to 'Carl' and hang on to his every word but perhaps they are just taking the p*ss and take some kind of perverse pleasure from watching a fellow human descend into a personal hell, where everyone else is a complete moron and he ('Carl') is the only one who has the 'keys' to an 'enlightened' alternate reality! Does 'Carl' not see that by accepting 'gifts' from his 'millionaire' sponsor that he has become the epitome of everything he claims to despise? Apparently not.

Does he not know that his 'benefactor' attempted to muscle in on David Icke's activities a few years ago?

Does he not see that there is perhaps another agenda behind him being encouraged to indulge in ayhuasca ceremonies and subsequently launch unprovoked attacks on anyone who doesn't acknowledge his (Carl's) superior knowledge? Apparently not?

In summary, 'Carl's' descent into a self-obsessed, psuedo-messianic, self-appointed 'Guru', seems to coincide with:

1). his attachment to his 'millionaire' benefactor.

2). his participation in Ayahuasca ceremonies.

It is sad to see someone who showed so much potential descend to such depths. I sincerely hope that 'Carl' finds a way through this and recognise the (self)destructive nature of his current behaviour.

Ben, you are a wonderful example to us all. Sharing your experiences, your insights and your inner wisdom without a hint of personal dogma.

Thank you once again.

The Watcher

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

Hi Watcher.

Thanks for those kind words. I'm glad you like my contribution to the Blogosphere. I too am going to AV3 so I'll hopefully see you there. Come over and introduce yourself!

Thanks too for your deep analysis into Carl's situation. I find the things he's said to me more hurtful because he used to be a good mate. I'm not bothered by the antics of "Droike" on my forum because he's always been hostile! I'm finished with his website that's for sure!

Yes, Carl is not the same man he used to be. He has seriously changed for the worse. I too hope he'll snap out of it soon. It just shows that there are many pitfalls that can lead us to terrible mistakes, it's like Star Wars and the "Dark Side of the Force"! There are people who would push us along too! But if Anakin can come back, so can others.

All the best,


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